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icyblue1986 | Falling like a brick...Stay with it or get out? |
Ok i own a stock that i just can't get a read on. I know times have been crazy in the market for the past few weeks, but goodness this is falling like a brick... down 8% so far today. The stock is OCNF, cramer recommended it weeks ago and i bought in once the hype died down a bit. Part of me wants to sell and run because its losing so quickly the past few days... but the other part says... hang onto it, they had a great quarter, aquired new ships, declaired a dividend (1st time ever)...i'm lost... why is this falling so violently? Thoughts, suggestions, ideas? Thanks!
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merc
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if it is too stressful for you to ride it out, you can sell half to satisfy your desire to get out and keep half to satisfy your desire to stay in. As for why it is falling, it is rock and rolling along with the DOW Jones. |
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fiddlesticks9
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You really should have an exit strategy prior to buying any stock. However, since you are already invested in it, now it depends how deeply you are in, how much you will lose if you do sell it off, and whether or not in fact the stock will stay down.
Many stocks have lost in the last few days. If the company you hold is solid, it's only a market glitch based usually on hype, innuendo, and planted information that allows stock to go down so that 'major' investors can position themselves. "Hype " is usually out there to encourage smaller investors to BUY so that bigger, smarter investors can sell it OFF.
You could, theoretically, average down your cost by buying more, some investors insist that you must buy into weakness and sell into strength. Yours is unknown, not enough information.
Fact of the matter is, it will only go up or down. You cannot control where it will go, you can only try to control how much you lose or gain by instituting entry/exit strategies. |
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shamieya
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The research I did said you should set a limit for the amount you allow your stock to drop below the purchase price before you sell and the recommended amount at 8 percent. I think it's time to sell (if it dropped 8 percent below the purchase price, not just 8 percent). Why lose money on that stock when you could be making money on another one? Take the L, don't get emotional about the stock. |
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Pelagius
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Do you know much about ships? I make it a general rule only to invest in companies that I understand or have experience of. For example, booze and sofas at present. Most 'tips' are best ignored.
I'm currently overweight in trouser-presses. Shares in stockbrokers should be a good bet in a few months after a market fall, for obvious reasons.
Have you considered a policy of 'dollar cost averaging' over ten years? Benjamin Graham thought it to be smart. |
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ZORCH
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I agree that at the very instant you buy a stock you have firmly in mind your "exit strategy". Put in a stop loss order right then. Not a minute later. And, pick your pain level. Some say 8%, some 10%. Of the purchase price.
About Kramer -- my read is that he is a "fundamentalist" and looks at the value of the company and translates that into the expected price of the stock. Technicians and chart readers would not have gone into this stock. Looks far too risky from a technicians point of view. |
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Frank Castle
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You need to setup a MAXIMUM RISK for your money.
How much money do you want to lose?
1%
10%
100%
Once the stock price crosses your limits then it's time to sell.
If you are a millionaire then you can take a big risk and if you only have $100,000.00 then your risk should be less or you could lose your house. |
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Franco
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The market has been rising for the last 5 years and now is falling. It has further to fall. Sell the share now, wait until it goes as low as you think it will go and buy it back again.
Then hang on to it, collect the dividends and consider selling when the market goes up again. It always does. It is not the end of the world. |
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euchre_king_03
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I don't know much about this stock, but after taking a quick look at it I would say it probably isn't going to do great in the short run. I would say it is a little overpriced right now and the fundamentals aren't that strong. However, their dividend yield is very high (almost 10%, see if it is re-occuring or one-time), and as fundamentals improve, it may be a better long-term investment. |
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58titan
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My personal opinion is that the stock market has peeked and will go back and forth to fool the masses and then one day you'll wake up and the market will be down hundreds of points, Remember wall street makes money selling stocks not buying and real estate is the backbone to this economy with real estate plunging this will effect the market as liquidity is now being destroyed, if you understand how the system works you will do better. First the way we create liquidity in this country is by lending money the way we destroy liquidity is not paying back the loans, so the reason the market did great for the last 5 years is because everyone no matter what could qualify for a loan so everyone bought homes took money out refinanced and the good times were rolling alot of liquidity in the markets now its pay back and the liquidity is leaving the markets so don't be fooled by wall street spin this market is heading for a huge huge downturn. Sell all your stocks mutual funds pension funds etc, they are all linked together and one day soon they will get wiped out. Stay in cash preferably euros British pounds and wait if you own your home fine if your just a glorified tenant that has a loan get out and rent.
I hope this will help you out, do your home work dont believe the spin. |
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kris
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get out now and cut your losses. let it be a lesson not to listen to idiots on tv. you should only trade in stocks you have researched to your own satisfaction, that way when you lose you can kick yourself and not blame some moron who gets paid to give bad advice.
sorry for your loss, hope you fare better next time. |
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Annie
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No one can tell you what will happen to this stock.
Hopefully you are well diversified and this is a very small part of your portfolio.
The past couple of weeks is a wake-up call to everyone that is gambling in the market. This is a good time to reassess your risk tolerance.
"Of course, no one can ever say with certainty whether stocks will continue to decline or whether they'll quickly rebound and return to record levels. What is clear is that few, if any, investors have demonstrated the ability to consistently pick the right times to get in—or out—of the markets.
"We've long advised investors not to react much to market movements, because we don't think it's a successful way to invest," Mr. Sauter said.
He also offered this thought for "bargain hunters": Although a market decline undoubtedly makes stocks cheaper, he doesn't recommend that investors "buy on the dips." Rather, Vanguard suggests that investors stick to their long-term asset allocation plans.
"The stock market never goes straight up," Mr. Sauter said. "To be a successful investor over the long term, you need to understand this, and you need to react rationally when the market doesn't go your way.
"Successful investing is a rational, not an emotional, pursuit. If you've made conscious, deliberate decisions based on your personal financial goals, time horizon, and your tolerance for risk, there's no reason to change your plans."
---Vanguard
I have followed this philosophy and I have not lost a second's sleep over the past 2 weeks. |
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Ron
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Okay, I'm not sure where the person found his information (listing dividend rates and the such) but I have not found any public financial statements on this company. OCNF does not pay a dividend either.
I read, however, that they are looking to put together a fleet of vessels which will be on a fixed period charter through 2011. Being a recent IPO, the stock began at around $20. Supply and demand (and hype of the company) drove the price up and since you waited too long, you missed the early pricing. Cramer probably mentioned his recommendation was to use this stock on a speculative basis. Hopefully you didn't put many eggs in this basket. Being a young company, expenses will be up before revenues offset them.
I'm not knocking you but you made a classic amateur investor mistake and bought at the high. Now you want to sell at the low. If you only used speculative money to buy this stock, hold onto it for a modest gain. Try to listen to the earnings call or read the transcript. If the outlook is good, hang onto it.
Ron, ChFC |
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M<ack
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This stock wont be doing anything until year end 2008. |
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STEVE A
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you should have bought on the up and not as it levelled and then sold styraight away. |
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