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Danger Mouse | So, where IS all the money? |
I realise that this could be seen to be a stupid question by people who understand the workings of world finance but I personally, am miffed.
I realise that this "money" isn't tangiable it's all electronic, virtual I suppose. But if all the worlds biggest financially sound countries are going into recession they obviously don't have it any more... so where IS it?
Would appreciate it if no-one answered with pathetic statements like "The world leaders spent it all on jaccuzis and crack" Even if they did, it would still BE somewhere. So Where? |
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Steve B
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At the national level, "money" does not exist ..
What exists is 'confidence' (or 'belief') in value ..
Nations can 'print' (create) as much (or as little) 'real money' as they see fit .. this literally means they can make 'money from nothing' ..
HOWEVER they must 'back' that money with 'assets' .. and 'assets' are worth what people think they are worth .. if people do NOT think your assets are worth the extra printed money, you get INFLATION*** hence the ONLY thing that is real is 'confidence' ..
Let's say (for example) you have a house that's 'worth' £100k .. and you get a Mortgage for £100k .. here we are in balance (your asset (house) = worth the money you have borrowed) .. now what happens when 'confidence' is high ??
Well, the house becomes worth (say) £200k .. where did the 'extra' £100k come from ??? === 'out of thin air' ! ...
.. but you can borrow against it and spend 'real' money, can't you ??
What happens when confidence is lost ??
The house may now be 'worth' only £100k again ... where did the £100k go to ???? === well it's gone back to where it came from .. "thin air" !!!
However NOW you have a problem .. suddenly you have spent more that your assets are worth and the people you borrowed from want their money back .. unlike a Nation, Inflation is not going to solve the problem for you ..
*** If you print money without the backing of assets - like Germany did between the World Wars or some South American countries did - you get massive inflation = since the money that is printed simply 'dilutes' the value of the money that already exists ... (in the above example, if UK prints an extra £100k for assets that are only worth £100k (eg UK houses), the house is 'worth' £200k in 'new money', but only because each £1 is now only 'worth' 50p ... |
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old know all
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You're right in that most of the world's money only exists in account balances on computers. Your assets are not the coins in your pocket or even the coins in the bank, but the balances owed to you by the world's computers. The whole system works quite happily on that basis until someone is unable to pay. Then you come to doubt your assets and start making provision for bad debt. That reduces your ability to pay so people have doubts about the money you owe them, and so it goes on.
The bottom line is that the public in the UK and America have massive personal debts and the banks have come to realise a lot of it cannot be repaid. We also have massive government debt which can only be repaid through taxation - but people don't or can't pay their taxes. That means that confidence is lost in the system and people start discounting the numbers on their computers. |
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Minimal
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The money doesn't exist. Banks lend out more money than they actually have (up to 60 times!!) and spread the risk by getting loans from other banks to cover the deficit (Those banks also don't have the money). The whole system relies on Bankers confidence in the system. Confidence was lost when the sub-prime lenders got the jitters that the loans were not covered, and people started realising how big the loan exposure was and how they did not have hard currency to cover the loans!!!
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TallDark
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Once upon a time, long long ago, there was a village full of monkeys, who made life miserable for the villagers. A rich man offered the villagers $10 for each monkey caught and put in a cage. All the monkeys were caught in no time and many villagers became rich by $10.Then the rich man left the village by appointing his assistant to take care of monkey business. Since the monkeys were now hard to find, the assistant said to the villagers, "OK Folks, my boss will pay $50 for any monkey caught". As monkeys were not available, the assistant said," I will let go of a few monkeys from the cage, you folks pay me $35 for each and you keep the $15". He then collected the money from the villagers, let loose all the monkeys from the cage and left the village for good. Moral of the story: It's a monkey business, this stock market. |
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stargazer
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And the plot thickens! I acknowledge the comments of "old know all" and "john f.", which makes one wonder if that is the situation, how are the economies hit ,realistically improve the situation by pledging to pump in more "x" amount of cash - where are they sourcing the bail out money from?
Could it be that this world depression scenario is the conspiracy of a group of major players in Wall ST - they have made godzillions of cash through their manipulative trading,they have money growing out of their ears , banks and loans are no longer profitable, there are no more wars to invest in ,they are running out of profitable investment options- so they decide to crash the world system and when the timing is right, they will come in to buy up everything.
May be the question to ask is not where has all the money gone but who are these people? |
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haggismuncheruk
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The money is still there but its the confidence to move it to high risk areas thats the problem.
No one is willing to risk there millions so are sitting on it for now |
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kez
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In all the poncey bankers bank accounts |
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pedro b
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i don`t know but one thing for shore i ain`t got much of it. |
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Aged Biker
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You answered your own question. Not so much about money, but we're dealing with virtual values here....
Global financial systems appear to be built like a house of cards - one puff of wind and it all falls down. |
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bud
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its been given to all the countries who are skint, we have always been a soft touch so now we are in the sh*t, are we going to get some help from them now, I don`t think so! |
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Han
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The money is in the UAE, where all the oil is. |
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