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rebecca1 | Are these tenants being unreasonable? |
I have a small rental house and recently the furnace broke down. To fix it costs $5,300 as it has to be dug out from under the house. I will fix the heater but am still working on getting the money together. In the meantime I have brought the renters four space heaters, plus fire wood. Today after bringing them firewood, I got a phone call from them which was upsetting. They are angry that I didn't brought them a full cord of wood and that they are freezing their asses off. . I asked them if they are using the space heaters and they said, "Yes, but that it's expensive." I explained that running the gas furnace (if it were working) would be even more expensive since gas is out of sight these days. I also told them that I will keep bringing wood to them as they need it. So, anyway they yelled at me and have threatened to call the Landlord Tenant Hotline, plus move out.
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Our lease states that the tenants will be responsible for utilities except for water and trash removal. |
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I know that In California, by law the landlord has to provide a worker heater. Keep your proof of purchse of the space heaters, and firewood. You went and bought that stuff for them until you can replace the furnace, so it shows youve made an attempt to correct the problem of the broken furnace.
It is their fault for freezing their as*s off for not using the space heaters. |
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mystery_me
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They are not being unreasonable. As a landlord you should have an emergency account or credit card to take care of things like a broken furnace in the winter. |
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kny390
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No, they are not being unreasonable. If you check your local landlord/tenant laws you will find out that you have to provide them with working utilities, including heat, water and sanitation. Besides wood can cause carbon monoxide problems along with having too much humidity in the house. If the heaters are kerosene they need to be properly vented. |
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L C
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Heat is a necessity in housing. If you do not provide heat your tenants may move out. It is called a constructive eviction. Their argument would be that they basically have been evicted from the home because the home does not have the basic necessities. I do not know the law where you live but it seems that space heaters and wood is not enough. When they moved in there was a working furnace and now there is not and it is winter. You should get the furnace repaired ASAP. Sorry for the bad news. |
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Shelley R
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We are landlords also. Sorry, but they are MORE than in the right to demand you fix that furnace!
Borrow the money if you have to. That is one of the pitfalls of being a landlord.
By the way,....if you live in a cold climate, like we do, Michigan, you could get into a HEAP of trouble if you don't get the heat fixed ASAP---especially if they have little children living there. |
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Fantasy
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And they should. Do you have heat at your home? What makes you think they want to wait until you get your money together? Are you that understanding when it comes to their rent? Its the landlords responsibility to have such "emergencies" already carved out. Sheeesh, I'd have you reported to. |
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Junkie
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I guess it depends on what kind of heat you told them they would have when they moved in... I have been a landlord for 7 years...
I would personally be scared of a wood stove or fireplace, I have never used one before and wouldnt start now. They may be right about the electric heaters costing more to use as well. I think you should fix the gas furnace immediatly. They may be able to sue or have their rent put in escrow or even break the lease- read your Lease. What does it say? |
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Peachfish Whiskerbiscuit
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You are required by law to provide a source of heat for them. It sounds like the space heaters (can be fire hazards) took care of that, if they are adequate to heat the place. The firewood is a bonus on top of that (they weren't used to getting free gas for the other heater?). They will probably be doing you a favor by moving out. Are there other issues that you did not tell us about? If not, they should not have any legitimate claims against you. Encourage them to move...it will be easier to do the work needed with a vacant house. Clean the place up, and find some decent tenants. Good luck! |
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No, you as a landlord have to provide them with heat. They shouldn't have to spend their money for the electricity to run the space heaters, get over it..... |
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satarnag
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As a landlord and a property manager, they're in the right. You should finance the furnace replacement if you can't afford it. Also, if you purchased a home warranty plan, it would have probably been covered.
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Megz
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Well I had one space heater for one month and my bill almost tripled!! So I can understand that part, but you are doing your best and they are obviously not thankful for that.
I have a gas furnace under the house and we are going to replace it with a wall gas heater....its cheaper and we dont have to dig it out till we can afford it. Its cheaper and they cant complain.
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kat
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you should pay the bill for the space heaters until you get the problem resolved. |
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FaZizzle
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They cannot legally move out unless you did not give them those provisions. It's their choice not to use the heaters, not yours. You're fine. If this were ever taken to court, you would be within reason.
If they break their lease right now, you can sue them.
Don't know where those thumbs down are coming from, because we were in a similar situation and sought the legal advice of a lawyer. Since you are correcting the situation and giving them alternatives, you are showing that you are taking initiative in fixing the problem.
For them to vacate, they would have to give you a WRITTEN NOTICE that states that if you have not fixed the heater in 12 days, they are legally able to move out free from being billed for the remained months. |
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Southern_Girl
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It depends on what the weather is. If it is freezing space heaters can only warm a certain amount of space as well as a fireplace. This is a big inconvenience for all involved, and you should really try to give them some kind of time frame as to when the situation will be rectified. But on the same note they are adults and you have supplied them with very reasonable temporary solutions and should not have to do it all. Reassure them that you will reimburse them for any wood they need to purchase outside of what you have delivered them. And unless there seems to be some situation of this kind arising often this is no reason for you to feel obligated to let them out of their lease. |
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LIBRASWEETS
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i think they are, i understand why there mad but my goodness you dont have money coming out your woohooo so they should just calm down and realize its very expensive. |
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flowerpet56
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check the terms of the lease that you have,
my opinion they are unreasonable |
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heart o' gold
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Yes, they are being unreasonable and so long as the heaters and wood were provided to them quickly, you have nothing to fear from Landlord/Tenant issues.
Keep a calendar of events for this, the day and time they notified you of the problem, the day and time you provided alternative heat. Even take notes on your conversations with them as soon as you have a chance to write it down. If they end up causing a problem for you these records will prove invaluable because it is so easy to forget things.
It sounds to me like you are doing your best to take care of the immediate problem and are working on resolving the heater issue. It's not like you can wave a magic wand or anything... |
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dragondave187
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I think that the renters are being way unreasonable!! You are doing all that you can do in your situation, and if they dont understand then let them leave!! If they want to call Landlord tenant board, then let thhem. The board will also see that you are doing all you can and will side with you. Dont worry about the tenants any more than you are now, keep getting them wood when needed, and get the furnace fixed as soon as you have the money. Really, what more can you do for them? And, you could always call the Landlord Tenant Hotline yourself and explain the situation to them first, that way you have also covered your a** with the board by being honest about the problem with them. Good luck with your situation!! |
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Your tenants are definately being unreasonable. If you're going out of your way to get them fire wood and help them stay warm, then that should show them, that you're trying to help. Maybe you should tell them about the money situation and if that doesn't work just ignore them and try to find someone who will value your efforts. |
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skcs69
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Help them pack to go. |
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Stacy M
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YES |
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Leash
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What a doosey of a predicament for both sides. Well, in a nut shell I have to say yes they are being unreasonable since it seems that you are doing everything you can think of for them. You've provided the space heaters and if they choose not to use them that is their own concern. Try to ease their stress by reassuring them that you have their best interests at heart and are doing all you can for them. These people are expecting you to fix it today like you have a money tree in your back yard so you also need to inform them that this is a very big and expensive job. But do get this done within a reasonable time frame. DO NOT explain that you have no money or anything like that. Because you should always be prepared for an emergency.. Most of us are not prepared however and this causes a predicament like the one your having now. Make your comments simple and polite. Continue to bring wood and invite them for a homemade dinner one night at your house. You could also bring over some extra blankets.... they should be appreciate and this will hopefully remedy your problem. |
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ktray1275
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yes you are attempting to make things right let them call |
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Mr. Goodkat
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You are making a reasonable effort to provide them with heat. If they refuse to use the space heaters, thats their problem. You are also providing wood. They will never burn a cord of wood in one day, so I think what you are doing is fine. |
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callthedog
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While they do have the right to be upset about losing heating this time of year, they sound pretty unreasonable about it since you're doing what you can. You should give them a time-frame on the repair, and maybe offer a discount on rent while it's not working, since they're theoretically paying for that basic utility to be available in their home.
On the other hand, maybe you'd be better off if they did move out if theyr'e going to be this way... |
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